Creative License: How Adobe helps brands stay creative in the age of AI

[00:00:00] What we're really seeing is customers are hungry for being able to develop and to deploy amazing customer experiences. And I think all of that anchors on how do you really achieve personalization at scale. And having been in marketing for a lot of years, everyone talks about that, but I actually think with AI it makes it possible. To thrive in a rapidly evolving landscape, brands must move at an ever increasing pace. I'm Matt Britton, founder and CEO of Suzy.

[00:00:28] Join me and key industry leaders as we dive deep into the shifting consumer trends within their industry, why it matters now, and how you can keep up. Welcome to the Speed of Culture. Up today on the Speed of Culture Podcast, we are thrilled to welcome Rachel Thornton, the CMO at Adobe Enterprise. Rachel is a seasoned marketing leader with more than 20 years of experience leading global brands.

[00:00:52] And today she sits at the intersection of AI, creativity, and marketing, helping enterprises reimagine how they engage customers in a rapidly evolving digital landscape. And it's certainly that, Rachel, so great to see you here at CES in Las Vegas. Oh, it's great to be here. Thank you. You know, it's such a fun time of year. You know, the year starts. We all want to get right into the office, but then there's CES and it brings everybody together. Why is CES important to you and Adobe as a place to invest your time and your resources kicking off the year?

[00:01:19] Yeah, I think it's exactly right. It's kicking off the year. It's a chance for everyone to come together after the holidays and really kind of get caught up on what's happening, what's new, what are we doing, you know, whether it's us or any of the companies that are here really talking about what's new and what's next. And obviously, especially this year with AI, also increasingly robotics. Yeah. Yeah. Robotics is something where I think most people don't realize that just the product development lifecycle of hardware is just by nature longer than software.

[00:01:47] So we're seeing this incredible innovation rate of improvement in AI. Yeah. And we haven't seen it manifest into robotics yet. But I think it's only a matter of time once the hardware cycle catches up that the brain of AI is going to be in the body of robots. And we're going to be looking out the window and seeing a completely different world than what we see today. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah. So Adobe obviously is such a great brand and it's really done, I think, an excellent job at continually pivoting.

[00:02:13] I remember the pivot Adobe made to subscription and cloud, which was a huge unlock. Yeah. Cloud, mobile. And then I think with AI as well. Yeah, exactly. You know, if you look at Adobe's history and especially as we think about customers and putting it at the center of every innovation we do, it really is being able to make sure that as customers, their needs evolve, we're evolving with them, we're innovating on their behalf. And I think the work with doing AI is just a great example of that.

[00:02:39] Yeah. So you are CMO of Adobe Enterprise, which means you're ultimately focused on deploying enterprise solutions. That's yeah, that's correct. And Adobe's great tools for businesses of all sizes. What is Adobe's strategy in 2026? What are some of the core products and features that you're leaning into? Yeah. So it's like I said, if we think of our customers and putting it at the center of everything we do, what we're really seeing is customers are hungry for being able to develop and to deploy amazing customer experiences.

[00:03:09] And I think all of that anchors on how do you really achieve personalization at scale? Yes. Having been in marketing for a lot of years, everyone talks about that. But I actually think with AI, it makes it possible. Couldn't agree more. Different levels, right? So you want as a customer to make sure that the brands you're interacting with know you.

[00:03:26] So that requires them understanding data, that being able then to take that data and create a profile around you and then being able to take that profile, make sure that they have the journey and the content that relates exactly to you. And I think this is what from Adobe's perspective, what we are helping marketers do every single day. Like how do we help you build your data stack? How do we help you build your customer profile? How do we help you build the experience and the journey for that customer and then create the content that's needed?

[00:03:54] And I think the beauty of AI is that you can be much more agile, you can be much faster as you create things like content, things like experiences. You really can now do this at scale, but at scale so that you're not one in a million, you're one in one. Right. Exactly. And I think over time, consumers, especially you look at Gen Alpha, who's growing up in the age of AI, they're never going to know where they're going to expect hyper personalization. It's not going to be a plus up. They're not going to want a one to many email.

[00:04:21] They're going to want a brand to talk to you as an audience of one, as an individual. Right. One thing you had mentioned that I hadn't realized is that you are indeed involved in the data stack, which I didn't know. Yeah. If you think about, so if you think about something like a Adobe Experience platform, so we look at that as our platform for how we help you understand what are the data you have on customers and then how do we help you build that customer data profile? Yeah. That's critical.

[00:04:44] Having your data in line, like I think a lot of people talk about, hey, deploying AI solutions or AI products, it's only as good as the data you have and your ability to build those customer profiles, take advantage of that customer data. Because once you have that nailed, then you can start to figure out how do I build that experience? How do I build that journey? Yeah. And data and AI, like you have to have the data in order to make those AI investments pay off. Totally. I mean, everyone has access to large language models. The core differentiator is data, right? Right. Exactly. It's interesting.

[00:05:14] As I prepared for this interview, it just dawned on me that the evolution of Adobe's products over time are very much connected to what it means to be creative. Meaning like when Adobe first came up with Photoshop, you needed specialized skill sets to use it. You need to really understand the knobs and dials. And slowly over time, Adobe rolled out Adobe Express and made it easier for the non-technical designer to use it.

[00:05:39] And now, of course, we're in a world of Adobe Firefly where you just have to know what you want to create. And you guys put everything else beneath the hood, more or less. And I think that's really a good analogy almost for any category in any industry in that it's going to be far more about understanding the problem you want to solve versus having a specialized skill set of how to solve the problem. Which means what it means to be creative actually is now being redefined. I'm just curious what your thoughts are there. Well, I think everyone is a creator.

[00:06:06] Whether you are talking about I've created this image or I've created this campaign or I've created this ad to I have created this business. I've created this product. Yeah. I've created this experience like everybody creates, right? I mean, in Adobe we think about it as like everyone is made to create. So how do we bring that to life for you? So your point about you can be in an agency or part of a creative team or a creative professional yourself and you're using whether it's Creative Cloud, whether it's Photoshop, whether it's Illustrator.

[00:06:31] Or you can be, hey, I'm like for example, I have a BDR team. So I have a team internally that helps reach out with customers with sales. Sure. We have the same thing at Suzy. Yeah. But it's so great because now like using Express and using Adobe tools, they can reach out to customers. They can have customized. They don't need to rely on a whole team and deliver it for them. They have, you know, within our Adobe brand guidelines using Express, they now can make some great reach out, some great content when they reach out to customers.

[00:06:58] They want to move faster, be more efficient, drive better results. Exactly. Which is fascinating. I love your take on just broadening the definition of creator. And I think if more people are going to be creators, then less people are going to be doing what they used to be doing, which I think is just, I'll put in the term of like order taking. Like I think that if you wait to be told what to do every day when you walk into work, your job is by definition, deterministic and it puts it at risk for automation.

[00:07:24] And I think conversely, if you are a creator, whether you're creating a business, a brand messaging, you name it, you then can actually be on the right side and future proof yourself in this new era. And I think Adobe is the type of company that really unlocks that. Yeah. With that, like what are some of the skill sets you think it takes to be able to succeed in this new world, especially in the realm of using the Adobe suite of tools?

[00:07:49] Well, I think when you talk about whether it's, you know, our creative tools we're doing, whether it's Express, whether it's Experience Cloud or whether it's our, we have a new product brand concierge that helps customers build out conversational interface. Oh, wow. With their customers on their website. That's so cool. But as you look at all of that, I think for marketing teams, for creative teams, to your point, helping them move faster, be more agile, be more creative, no matter what they're doing, that's what we take pride in. And I think that's what we deliver for customers.

[00:08:19] I agree that if you're just sort of sitting back and waiting, but I think if you were just doing that, your job is going to change irrespective of the technology produced, right? I think with AI now, and this is what's so exciting for me as a marketer, is there are a lot of things over the years that I've been in marketing that just have taken so much time. And now when you can move faster, when you can say, hey, I know that there's an opportunity here with this audience or with this timeframe or with this offer, let me put a campaign together.

[00:08:47] Instead of having to go 10 weeks, 12 weeks, if you could do this in a week or two, just think about how many things you can unlock, how many opportunities you can unlock. I also think it gives marketers a chance to experiment more. Like on my team, we really focus on what are the experiments we can do? What are the learnings we can find? Like we may start with, this was an idea for a campaign. This was the concept.

[00:09:10] But as we do a bunch of experimentation with different like components of that or flavors of that campaign, if you will, there could be something that resonates with a customer that we didn't even imagine. But because we were able to do this with AI and scale with AI with Adobe tools, we can now do this much faster. We can deliver to customers the things that are most engaging and this really great customer experience that not only like engages them, but keeps them and excites them.

[00:09:35] Yeah, it's almost like this continuous loop of testing, optimizing, getting data until you refine things. And that's why data plays such an important role. But that was far less possible in the past when it just took so long to make things. Yeah, exactly. You couldn't create 20 assets because it would just be too expensive to take much time. Or because it took you so long, because it was so maybe costly or intensive, you think, well, it's okay.

[00:10:00] Maybe I'm not super in love with it, but it took me so long to get there that I'm going to run with it because I kind of have to, right? And now it's like, no, you can really decide I love this or the customers love this. So let's double down. Yeah. So in the world of AI and solve really anyone's talking about here at CES, it's interesting because so many conversations do lead back to what Adobe does, which is about data-driven creativity and customer experience, et cetera.

[00:10:24] But we've kind of been on this trajectory and a spectrum of AI evolution, if you will, where it started with AI as a tool, you know, write me a blog post and they'll just write it for you. Right. And then we enter the age of AI workflow and automation. And now we're entering the world, and we've already kind of started in 25 and certainly in 26, you know, agentic workflows and AI agents. I know that's an area that Adobe is very much focused on, especially with your enterprise product. Would love to hear how Adobe looks at AI agents and what role they play in your product mix.

[00:10:53] It's like I said a few minutes ago, I think is when we look at our marketers that we work with our customers and we think about the roles they have to do and kind of the jobs they have to do every day. Yeah. When you begin to look at, hey, there's components of this that we could easily have an agent do, that we can have an agent recommend. So a good example is audience. So we have an audience agent and my team uses it was like, all right, help us build an audience based on what you know about how this campaign performed or how this event. A B2B audience. Yes. Yes. Or it could be B2C. Sure.

[00:11:21] The type is, it's not necessarily as material as what do you want to do with that audience and how do you want to take in the information to continue to build and refine your audiences. Now, previously, you know, if you were doing this, it took time to sort of understand, well, how did this campaign or this event or this program, how did it perform? What were the audiences that it really attracted? Well, when didn't it attract? Okay.

[00:11:44] Now I can have my agent recommend to me, look, based on the results there, you should think about an audience that is interested in this, right? You ran a campaign on camping equipment, let's say. Great. It turns out that these people responded, but this group over here didn't. However, we recommend based on knowledge of this group that you tweak the campaign in this way. So that's huge. I think we have insights agents that we use to help surface insights.

[00:12:10] So rather than, and I think this is true in a lot of big companies, rather than maybe saying, I'm going to file a ticket and then maybe another team and another part of the company is going to send me some info. It's like, hey, help me uncover the insights for this campaign so I can now move faster, build better, build better messaging, maybe build better creative. But I think like the insights agents that we have also have been really an unlock for marketers, helping them be more agile, helping them be more creative and helping them move faster.

[00:12:35] It's interesting because it changes, I think, how we define as workflow, because to your point earlier, you used to have to go to another department to get things where now you can be sitting there as part of like one flow of work. You can tap into different agents and get from start to finish without really meeting much. So that is a different way of working for sure. Exactly. And I think, like I said, it helps marketers be more agile and really unlock a lot of, there's that word again, creativity.

[00:13:04] Like maybe you had an idea for a campaign, but you weren't sure one, would it be a big enough audience? Turns out, yes. The audience agent recommended this audience. You're like, I like it. Now you can unlock the assets like Adobe Gen Studio. If we think about that entire life cycle, now you're working with Gen Studio, you could create the content, you could create the creative, you can scale it. So you can really target that audience across multiple channels. I think the beauty is also for global companies as they look at the work of translating, localizing. All right.

[00:13:34] We can help you absolutely scale that and do that across channels globally much more quickly than we could in the past. We'll be right back with the Speed of Culture after a few words from our sponsors. So as a B2B marketer, obviously it's all about adding value. It's about use cases and understanding your customer. And in that regard, it's a highly competitive landscape in the world of AI and AI creative tools out there.

[00:13:59] Because the barrier to entry, as somebody who's a CEO of a software company, I just see so many new competitors popping up because you don't need capital or talent the way that you used to to create software. So how do you make sure that you're positioning the brand from a B2B perspective in the right way to maintain some level? Obviously, you have the heritage of the brand, Adobe, and the trust behind it. But that alone won't get you there. What else are you leaning into? I actually wouldn't underestimate the power of trust and the embrace of trust in this world.

[00:14:28] But you can't just rest on that alone. Well, I totally agree. But I definitely think that if you think about trust, if you think about innovation. So the innovation that Adobe has just been developing, releasing as part of our product for Forleo, it's amazing. For decades. But more importantly, we think about how do you make sure what you're doing? How can you trust what the outputs are? How can you trust what the artifacts are, what the outputs are for the company? How can you make sure that the data you're using, you own?

[00:14:56] It's data that you own that you understand the prominence of. That's not hallucinating or wrong. Exactly. How can you make sure that the content you have is authentic? So Adobe takes this very seriously. And I think when I look at just the evolving landscape, if you're a brand, you have so much to lose if you get those campaigns or those creatives or those assets wrong. For sure. Right?

[00:15:19] I think a good example of how we partner with companies and how, you know, sure, there's a lot of opportunities, but still companies come back to how do I make sure that I have brand integrity? And that brand integrity carries across every single thing I do. We work with Coca-Cola on Project Vision. Vision with an F like this. But it was really great because they thought about all of their creatives worldwide.

[00:15:43] How do we make sure that team, using Adobe Tools, we develop these AI brand guidelines for them so no matter who's creating an asset, no matter where they are in the world, that asset is on brand. It's within the brand requirements so that when they put it together, they know with 100% confidence that it's meeting those brand guidelines and there's no issue with brand integrity. And I think that's powerful. For sure. Really the only ones that can do that. Absolutely.

[00:16:09] I know that you've also been doing work in like passion point areas, especially sports. Yes. Over time. And I think that's a great way for you to showcase the efficacy and power of your tools because you're combining it with something that people love. Right. And sports are obviously more important to culture than ever before. And I know that Adobe's working with leagues like the NFL and MLB and Premier League to really help fans express fandom, engage more deeply through this AI powered creativity. So I'd love to hear a little bit more about those efforts. Yeah. It was actually great.

[00:16:37] I spent some time with the NFL team here. We've done a couple of panels talking about just the power of sports and the culture of sports. And I absolutely think that what is really fascinating about the evolution that sports are on right now is not just the evolution in fan engagement. So across multiple modalities, whether you're in person, whether you're watching, whether you're on social media, whether you're in fantasy league. Yeah. How do fans engage with all those things? Like my son, I have a 17 year old, huge football fan. He's got his favorite team.

[00:17:07] We're in Seattle. So it's the Seahawks. Good year. I know. Fingers crossed. But as time this comes out, we'll know if it's a great year or a disappointment. Right. But, you know, like he'll watch a game, but then he may follow other games on his phone. He may be watching with his friends on his phone. He's also tracking on his fantasy team. Following his favorite players on Twitter. Exactly. Following his favorite players on social media. And now also working with the NFL, we can help them.

[00:17:31] They have content creators that they have at games that they have with players to create content with those players that's on social media that can be posted on social. But then also the customer or fans, I should say, can pick up and share as well. Right. Make their own. So, yeah, it's how not only do you engage with the fans, but how do you co-create with those fans? And I think that is an amazing thing and it's amazing evolution of sports. So whether it's the NFL or Premier League or Real Madrid or MLB, it's like every single one of them is thinking, how do we engage fans?

[00:18:00] How do we keep them passionate about the game? But not only the game, the league, the team, the player. Right. All of those different things. A fan now can have so many different things they love. And we want to make sure that we can engage them, but also help them share and co-create and be creative with their favorite leagues or teams. Yeah. We had Tim Ellis, the CMO of the NFL on the podcast. He was talking about some of these efforts.

[00:18:22] And fan engagement isn't necessarily a new thing, but I think the difference now is with the tools like Adobe has, the fan can really express themselves and they can do so in a brand safe way. And I would put that, make more broadly, just user-generated content in general. I think for a long time, brands knew that they needed to let their consumer take control of the brand. The problem is they still have a brand.

[00:18:45] They have a look, tone, and feel, and there's guardrails and there's all these things that they want to make sure are embedded in any sort of open source of the brand. Exactly. But now, with these tools, you actually can get the best of both worlds. You can kind of give up some control, but at the same time feel good that something's not going to come out that's going to completely denigrate what you built. That's right. I can share my love of the Seahawks in a way that reflected of my passion for the Seahawks, but is still within what the NFL or the Seahawks want to make sure is conveyed about their brand. Right.

[00:19:13] So you're obviously talking to many different brands across many different categories. What are you finding brands are most interested or attracted to in terms of your overall offering or just like what are their priorities in general that you see shaping cross-category here in 2026? I think it's absolutely about not just, we talked about fan engagement, but you could substitute the word customer. So it's customer engagement. Sure. More importantly, building robust customer experiences that keep people connected to your brands.

[00:19:41] But I think more and more with agentic and with agents, you have to think about what are the experiences I'm building for my customers, my people customers, my customers. But also, how do I want to make sure that as agents engage with me, what is the story? What is the content? What is the experience I'm building for those agents? It's very much humans, agents, both have to be, both are true and both have to be thought about as audiences that you want to build experiences and content for. Totally. Right?

[00:20:11] Because if you want to make sure you're showing up, like we have a lot of data on the shift from SEO to what do you call it? SEO, AEO, but just people using things like Perplexity, ChatGPT, Gemini. To research, but soon to shop. Exactly. They're going to go down the whole funnel there. But if you're a brand, you absolutely need to know how are you showing up there? How are you showing up on ChatGPT? And it's all about content, isn't it? Exactly. Right. How do you make sure you show up well and you're like, I'm happy with that and it's going to make sure it reflects my brand in the best light?

[00:20:39] So this is what I mean about not only are you thinking about your customers all the time, but now you're thinking about how we share it with the agents. And earlier this year, we released Adobe LLM Optimizer, which was exactly... Oh, really? I didn't know about that. I got to check that out. You do? Yeah. LLM Optimizer. Okay. But it is exactly designed to help customers figure out how do I make sure that when people are searching in ChatGP, Perplexity, whatever, we're showing up as a brand, we're showing up well. It is how we want to be depicted there.

[00:21:06] It's interesting because what you just described is what I think we're seeing in the software category overall is that lines are being blurred. Yeah. Right? Like you guys are now getting into the AI optimization and we're used to the SEO optimization game, which would have traditionally been an area that other companies would have done. Maybe not, but it's just a natural extension. Given that you have the data, you have the creative, content's being created on your platform. That's what drives AI optimization. That's what CMOs care about. So it makes sense.

[00:21:34] And I think the more that you can move fast and obviously bolt on these features, the more that you're going to be able to really drive that customer growth. Right. It's true. Actually, we made an acquisition just recently of SEMrash. Yeah. It was in that area. Yeah. And that was a lot of the reason. It's like, how do we really help customers navigate this change? They shift from very traditional SEO to more GEO. So, and it's going to be a journey, but absolutely, how do we make sure that we have the right tools and the right products to help customers on that? Absolutely. So shifting gears, we wrap up here, Rachel. It's been, as I knew it would, a great talk, lively talk.

[00:22:04] And we covered so many different topics. Looking back on your career, because you've worked at many great tech companies from Salesforce and AWS and Cisco, et cetera. And you look back on your career journey in the world of tech. What were some decisions that you think you made right along the way, areas that you focused on to put yourself in the CMO role today? I think my sort of mantra as I think about it is like, how am I always being curious? How can I always learn more? How can I understand what customers want?

[00:22:33] Kind of dive deep on kind of the information and what a customer is telling me. I think that's always critical no matter what job you have. And then I think be open to experimentation, trying something that you would think, I don't know if I'm well, super well suited for that, but I'm going to kind of push on that and try because you never know what you pick up and you never know how it becomes applicable later. Right. Right. It always makes sense in a rearview mirror. Exactly.

[00:22:56] When I think about roles I've taken, I don't oftentimes say no because I'm like, I could learn something with this that in the moment you're like, eh. But later I'm like, I'm so glad I had that job because it has set me up for this one. Yeah. They have. So I'm all about like, how can you walk into things with an open mind, with like a beginner mindset, as they say, and try things, learn from them, and then take those learnings into the next role. Yeah. And say as a leader, of course, greatness is an agency of others and you need to build a team.

[00:23:22] You need to surround yourself by great people.

[00:23:52] Not only are you getting maybe the information quickly, but are you able to look at it and really kind of ask questions about the veracity of the info? What does it make sense? How could I apply it? I think that's important too. Yeah, for sure. And I think some of those skill sets traditionally weren't ones that were necessarily the most important. Like we were X-ing, in my opinion, the age of the knowledge economy. Exactly. What matters most is what you knew, not how you acted. No softer skills. Yeah. But now the softer skills are definitely. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. Like how do you work with people? How do you get the best out of people? I think that's good.

[00:24:22] How resilient are you? Exactly. You have perseverance. I spend a lot of time building an AI and it's like you'll hit Roblox along the way and it's easy to say, I guess it can't work. But if you just don't give up and you go after it, you'll get past that step. Yeah, you look at it from a bunch of different angles. Like, okay, this didn't work. What other ways could I try this? Yeah. And then what happens is that once you achieve that step, you'll say, oh, well, I can actually use that step for this thing I'm doing. And then you kind of just, that's how the pieces kind of all fall together or at least I've experienced that. Totally agree.

[00:24:50] So this has been an awesome discussion to wrap up here. Yeah, this has been really good. Yeah, we always ask our guests if there's a saying or mantra that helps sort of encapsulate the professional journey. Just want to know what comes to mind for you. Yeah, on the same theme, it's like just be curious, be open. Yeah. Like be interested in things, asking questions, asking questions about customers, the world around you. I'm a huge fan of that. Never stop learning, right? Never stop learning. Especially in this day and age where we look outside the window here in the Las Vegas Strip and there are so many innovations right in front of our eyes.

[00:25:19] And I don't think we've ever seen a time in technology like this where there's so many possibilities and the rate of change is sort of mind-blowing. Yeah. As far as possible. Awesome. Well, listen, thank you so much for taking the time here during a busy CES week to share your thoughts and insights with us. I'm a huge fan of the brand Adobe and so many people on your team wish you nothing but success in the year ahead. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Absolutely. On behalf of Suzy and I would team, thank you again to Rachel Thornton, the CMO of Adobe Enterprise for joining us today.

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